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This post is a beautiful offering, not only for dreamwork but a new lens through which to see through dreams and have dreams become living touch points with the Integral. I am wholly enlivened to see Gebser "in practice" and out of the confines of Mental structure theorizing.
The motifs in the dream/ritual journey seem to signal structures: light and sight ("signature light") being Mental; sound and hearing ("holding the bird") being Magic structure. If we look at these from organs of perceptivity, light < > eye: cortical brain structures (Mental); sound < > labyrinthine ear and gut vital physiologic structures (Magic), we see that for the two to be in relationship, they must cross over the heart (Mythic), and in this way – vital functions, soul/psyche, thought – the dream/ritual journey reflects (i.e, as one "fullness" and so they happen out of linearity of time as a concretion of time) a phenomenology of Integral.
Wow! Thank you SO much for bringing my attention to these structures in terms of my dream and the ritual journey. When I was having the journey, the future of me receiving the reminder about the dream from the past was already on its way. I saw this as an image of the present moment with two giant pitchers above, one pouring the past into it and one pouring the future. But the image you present here of all of these "moments" occurring within the structures of consciousness and the body is breathtaking. "...for the two to be in relationship, they must cross over the heart..." The design of the Mythic and the heart being in the center is no accident. Archaic, Magic, Mythic, Mental, Integral. The Mythic as fulcrum. Thank you, thank you as always for your brilliant insights! 💕
Love this! What is the journal you’re referring to here? I would love to record my dreams in it as well. Sounds like a great tool!
I am also very much in touch with my dream process, it consistently guides my waking life. I have a piece called dream journeys with the inner child that outlines one of my more recent recurring dream journeys. If you ever feel like checking it out, no pressure 💫🩶
Not sure I've ever noticed time passing in dreams, but I often dream about having longstanding memories that I don't actually have "IRL" which I always find interesting - clear memories of the past of things I've never actually done or experienced. :)
This is so interesting Jenna, I often have trouble remembering my dreams, but just know that when I’ve woken up I’ve definitely been travelling somewhere! The collapsing of time blows my mind, I’ve experienced it, I don’t fully understand it, but I know that it’s where we are heading and that we’ll get ‘used’ to it like everything else! Thank you for your precious insight, as usual, it makes perfect sense. 💫🙏
Thank you, Louise! 🤗 I love your reassurance that we'll get used to this "new" way of relating with time. It's such a comfort to me to know that we're held and supported throughout this entire transition. And I LOVE that you and I are on the planet together, holding hands as it all unfolds. 💖
That fluidity we experience in dreams is something I’ve been working on bringing into daily/awake time for a while now. Mixed results but it’s just practice, so I recognize it as play.
Thanks so much, Nancy! I love that we're dreamwork kin! ❤️ And I especially love that you bring the quality of play to it. I seem to often need that reminder. In fact, it's no accident that I'm replying to your comment a whole week (in calendar time) after you wrote it. This is the exact moment I most needed to read your words. I've been holding things a bit too seriously lately (and giving myself a few more gray hairs in the process). PLAY! Just saying the word lightens my whole energy field. This is what my heart was longing for today and I didn't even know it. Thank you SO much for this!! 💕✨
I have felt called toward my dreams for months now, but I am dependent on cannabis in order to fall asleep and so I can’t remember them. Or at least, I think that’s why I can’t remember, I’m 10 years in to the cannabis-with-sleep use and so I’m starting to feel hazy about what I used to experience around dreaming.
As I reach for my dreams I can sometimes get the vaguest sense for what my dream that night might have been about, but it’s very faint, and *poof* whatever it was slips away from me as soon as I am awake. Trying to recall the dream is like peering through a dense dark fog.
I read your write-up of your dreams and I see so much space for analysis and reflection. That’s why I want to engage with mine! When I get there I’ll look forward to bringing in this perspective on time being non-linear and having its own… essence? Meaning? Being-ness?
Thank you so much for sharing this with me! It can be a real struggle because our physical bodies truly need all the sleep and rest we can get in these crazy busy lives of ours. Finding something that lets us sleep is important. I don't know all the ins and outs of the impact of cannabis on dreaming, but I wonder if it might work to simply asked your guides to help you remember your dreams? Sometimes I also tuck a clear quartz under my pillow to help the dreams come through more clearly. When you do get some insights on Time in your dreams, I'd love to hear about them! 🤗
I agree Jenna! Dreams are non-linear, in time and out of time, a convergence of symbolic messages and symbols. I appreciate what you have shared here. the importance of not making our dreams a thing we only do at night, but an opportunity for deeper meaning in our waking state as well. I recently had one of those dreams that stick with you, and it keeps calling me back to contemplate it, to relive it. I took it into a somatic practice recently with the intention for deeper understanding. What ended up happening is the dream continued as a waking dream. Dreams are real!
I love that you bring your dreams into somatic practice! I want to know more about that. I do dream re-entry as a sort of ritual journeying, but it hadn't occurred to me to make it a somatic practice. That seems amazing. Let's put that on the list of things to discuss when we next meet. ❤️
This is beautiful Jenna. Thank you for sharing your dreams with us and for sharing the synchronicities...I love it when something for "sometime ago" pops up now to remind us, to explain something to us, to illuminate us, to heal us and, even though it happened so long ago its relevance is so important for now..
Also I am filtering what you mentioned about time...I am feeling that is how time is for me now...past, present and future all in one..thank you for that confirmation 🙏
That's so wonderful, Sam! I love that you are living that way. I can feel that in you, especially in the ways you experience your boys as wise elders. 💖💖💖
The synchronicity shared between dreams and current experiences has inspired me to pay more attention to my dreams. I have never journaled dreams before and I am curious now to see what unfolds. Which online journal do you use, if you don’t mind sharing? ✨
Yay! I'm so glad you feel inspired to record your dreams, Trudi. At least for me, dreams enrich my life in amazing ways. The journal I use is called Penzu (I do pay a small amount for the premium version).
I've had the experience of how time works differently according to the reality frames in which multidimensional consciousness operates that has given me a personal insight into this subject. I've also used the Big Theory of Everything of Thomas Campbell to understand how it works. Time is fundamental to consciousness, it is the medium in which consciousness operates, although there are different rates of iterations of time applicable to the myriad of reality frames in which consciousness can work. Consciousness is fundamental to reality and this is why we can say that Consciousness creates reality. Time itself is the speed at which consciousness operates in accord with the limits of the reality frame which it works at any given moment, depending upon which reality frame that it is logged on to at that time. I will attach an essay of mine for further explanation. https://open.substack.com/pub/elliotmurray/p/argonaughts-and-angels?r=yj6nd&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
Elliot, thank you so much for sharing that! I LOVED your essay. There's a part of my work with the dead, a part that I've been calling "fragment work" that I feel you might be able to help me understand better. Would it be okay if I sent you an email sometime?
Wow - that’s quite an affirmation, from your retreat to your journal reminder. I will be thinking about dreaming/waking time now. I too love the way writers experiment with conveying time in narrative.
Ooooh, yes! I love that too, and the way it's conveyed in film. Thank you for bringing that up. The way people express their relationships with time in their art is fascinating. I'm going to pay closer attention to this now. Thank you, Tara! And that journal reminder was a huge affirmation. There's actually a little more to it that I didn't put in the post because I felt it was already pushing the word limit, but I'll give you the full scoop at our next meeting. ❤️
Fascinating post, Jenna. Thank you. I’ve been thinking about time a lot recently because I’ve noticed it’s behaving differently, and my relationship with it has changed. It really doesn’t move at an even pace, and the more I’m in trance states, I.e. waking dreams, the more it seems to work with me, instead of against me. I’m a massage therapist and I used to really be counting the minutes to be honest, but since I was able to access light trance during massages, an hour seems like a few minutes. I’m curious to see if I can harness this experience to see if my body can also feel like it only worked five minutes. Maybe I will find it less draining.
Hi Jennifer! This is a great question. Does the body relate with Time the same as my mind/heart/soul? I'd be really interested to hear what you experience as you experiment with this. My intuition tells me that if I'm truly experiencing Time in a different way, then so is my body, so is all of me. But now I'm definitely going to pay particular attention to this. Thank you so much for bringing this, Jen! ❤️
Oh you are so welcome! Glad it sparked something valuable for you.
Jenna,
This post is a beautiful offering, not only for dreamwork but a new lens through which to see through dreams and have dreams become living touch points with the Integral. I am wholly enlivened to see Gebser "in practice" and out of the confines of Mental structure theorizing.
The motifs in the dream/ritual journey seem to signal structures: light and sight ("signature light") being Mental; sound and hearing ("holding the bird") being Magic structure. If we look at these from organs of perceptivity, light < > eye: cortical brain structures (Mental); sound < > labyrinthine ear and gut vital physiologic structures (Magic), we see that for the two to be in relationship, they must cross over the heart (Mythic), and in this way – vital functions, soul/psyche, thought – the dream/ritual journey reflects (i.e, as one "fullness" and so they happen out of linearity of time as a concretion of time) a phenomenology of Integral.
Wow! Thank you SO much for bringing my attention to these structures in terms of my dream and the ritual journey. When I was having the journey, the future of me receiving the reminder about the dream from the past was already on its way. I saw this as an image of the present moment with two giant pitchers above, one pouring the past into it and one pouring the future. But the image you present here of all of these "moments" occurring within the structures of consciousness and the body is breathtaking. "...for the two to be in relationship, they must cross over the heart..." The design of the Mythic and the heart being in the center is no accident. Archaic, Magic, Mythic, Mental, Integral. The Mythic as fulcrum. Thank you, thank you as always for your brilliant insights! 💕
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Love this! What is the journal you’re referring to here? I would love to record my dreams in it as well. Sounds like a great tool!
I am also very much in touch with my dream process, it consistently guides my waking life. I have a piece called dream journeys with the inner child that outlines one of my more recent recurring dream journeys. If you ever feel like checking it out, no pressure 💫🩶
Hi Kaya! The journal I use is called Penzu (I think it's around $10/year for the premium version).
I'd love to read your piece on dream journeys with the inner child! Can you share a link to it?
Thank you! And here’s the link https://open.substack.com/pub/kayamarie/p/dream-journeys-with-the-inner-child?r=1z4q5a&utm_medium=ios
Not sure I've ever noticed time passing in dreams, but I often dream about having longstanding memories that I don't actually have "IRL" which I always find interesting - clear memories of the past of things I've never actually done or experienced. :)
Oh that's fascinating, Troy! Some day we need to sit down over a cup of coffee and discuss all these amazing things. 🤗❤️
That would be marvelous my dear ❤️☕❤️
This is so interesting Jenna, I often have trouble remembering my dreams, but just know that when I’ve woken up I’ve definitely been travelling somewhere! The collapsing of time blows my mind, I’ve experienced it, I don’t fully understand it, but I know that it’s where we are heading and that we’ll get ‘used’ to it like everything else! Thank you for your precious insight, as usual, it makes perfect sense. 💫🙏
Thank you, Louise! 🤗 I love your reassurance that we'll get used to this "new" way of relating with time. It's such a comfort to me to know that we're held and supported throughout this entire transition. And I LOVE that you and I are on the planet together, holding hands as it all unfolds. 💖
I cannot thing of a better companion to time travel with 💕
That fluidity we experience in dreams is something I’ve been working on bringing into daily/awake time for a while now. Mixed results but it’s just practice, so I recognize it as play.
Love what you’re doing here!
Thanks so much, Nancy! I love that we're dreamwork kin! ❤️ And I especially love that you bring the quality of play to it. I seem to often need that reminder. In fact, it's no accident that I'm replying to your comment a whole week (in calendar time) after you wrote it. This is the exact moment I most needed to read your words. I've been holding things a bit too seriously lately (and giving myself a few more gray hairs in the process). PLAY! Just saying the word lightens my whole energy field. This is what my heart was longing for today and I didn't even know it. Thank you SO much for this!! 💕✨
I have felt called toward my dreams for months now, but I am dependent on cannabis in order to fall asleep and so I can’t remember them. Or at least, I think that’s why I can’t remember, I’m 10 years in to the cannabis-with-sleep use and so I’m starting to feel hazy about what I used to experience around dreaming.
As I reach for my dreams I can sometimes get the vaguest sense for what my dream that night might have been about, but it’s very faint, and *poof* whatever it was slips away from me as soon as I am awake. Trying to recall the dream is like peering through a dense dark fog.
I read your write-up of your dreams and I see so much space for analysis and reflection. That’s why I want to engage with mine! When I get there I’ll look forward to bringing in this perspective on time being non-linear and having its own… essence? Meaning? Being-ness?
Thank you so much for sharing this with me! It can be a real struggle because our physical bodies truly need all the sleep and rest we can get in these crazy busy lives of ours. Finding something that lets us sleep is important. I don't know all the ins and outs of the impact of cannabis on dreaming, but I wonder if it might work to simply asked your guides to help you remember your dreams? Sometimes I also tuck a clear quartz under my pillow to help the dreams come through more clearly. When you do get some insights on Time in your dreams, I'd love to hear about them! 🤗
I agree Jenna! Dreams are non-linear, in time and out of time, a convergence of symbolic messages and symbols. I appreciate what you have shared here. the importance of not making our dreams a thing we only do at night, but an opportunity for deeper meaning in our waking state as well. I recently had one of those dreams that stick with you, and it keeps calling me back to contemplate it, to relive it. I took it into a somatic practice recently with the intention for deeper understanding. What ended up happening is the dream continued as a waking dream. Dreams are real!
I love that you bring your dreams into somatic practice! I want to know more about that. I do dream re-entry as a sort of ritual journeying, but it hadn't occurred to me to make it a somatic practice. That seems amazing. Let's put that on the list of things to discuss when we next meet. ❤️
This is beautiful Jenna. Thank you for sharing your dreams with us and for sharing the synchronicities...I love it when something for "sometime ago" pops up now to remind us, to explain something to us, to illuminate us, to heal us and, even though it happened so long ago its relevance is so important for now..
Also I am filtering what you mentioned about time...I am feeling that is how time is for me now...past, present and future all in one..thank you for that confirmation 🙏
That's so wonderful, Sam! I love that you are living that way. I can feel that in you, especially in the ways you experience your boys as wise elders. 💖💖💖
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The synchronicity shared between dreams and current experiences has inspired me to pay more attention to my dreams. I have never journaled dreams before and I am curious now to see what unfolds. Which online journal do you use, if you don’t mind sharing? ✨
Yay! I'm so glad you feel inspired to record your dreams, Trudi. At least for me, dreams enrich my life in amazing ways. The journal I use is called Penzu (I do pay a small amount for the premium version).
Thank you Jenna!
Can I ask what journaling tool you use, Jenna? It sounds like something I've been missing.
Hi Zoe! ❤️ The one I use is called Penzu and I love it. I think I only pay about $10/year for the premium.
I've had the experience of how time works differently according to the reality frames in which multidimensional consciousness operates that has given me a personal insight into this subject. I've also used the Big Theory of Everything of Thomas Campbell to understand how it works. Time is fundamental to consciousness, it is the medium in which consciousness operates, although there are different rates of iterations of time applicable to the myriad of reality frames in which consciousness can work. Consciousness is fundamental to reality and this is why we can say that Consciousness creates reality. Time itself is the speed at which consciousness operates in accord with the limits of the reality frame which it works at any given moment, depending upon which reality frame that it is logged on to at that time. I will attach an essay of mine for further explanation. https://open.substack.com/pub/elliotmurray/p/argonaughts-and-angels?r=yj6nd&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
Elliot, thank you so much for sharing that! I LOVED your essay. There's a part of my work with the dead, a part that I've been calling "fragment work" that I feel you might be able to help me understand better. Would it be okay if I sent you an email sometime?
Sure Jenna, I’ll do what I can 🙏
I have actually been working on a ‘Page’ about dreams… THIS adds an additional dimension.
Thanks so much for sharing this wonderful piece!
Ooooh, I will be keeping my eyes out for that page, Stone! Very intrigued!
Wow - that’s quite an affirmation, from your retreat to your journal reminder. I will be thinking about dreaming/waking time now. I too love the way writers experiment with conveying time in narrative.
Ooooh, yes! I love that too, and the way it's conveyed in film. Thank you for bringing that up. The way people express their relationships with time in their art is fascinating. I'm going to pay closer attention to this now. Thank you, Tara! And that journal reminder was a huge affirmation. There's actually a little more to it that I didn't put in the post because I felt it was already pushing the word limit, but I'll give you the full scoop at our next meeting. ❤️
I’ll be all ears. Welcome to fifty. I hope it’s great so far. :-)
Amazing as always. Love dream work. Will pay special attention to the time dimensions now 🩵❣️thank you 💖
Thank you so much, Jimena! 🤗 I love that you love dream work too!
Fascinating post, Jenna. Thank you. I’ve been thinking about time a lot recently because I’ve noticed it’s behaving differently, and my relationship with it has changed. It really doesn’t move at an even pace, and the more I’m in trance states, I.e. waking dreams, the more it seems to work with me, instead of against me. I’m a massage therapist and I used to really be counting the minutes to be honest, but since I was able to access light trance during massages, an hour seems like a few minutes. I’m curious to see if I can harness this experience to see if my body can also feel like it only worked five minutes. Maybe I will find it less draining.
Hi Jennifer! This is a great question. Does the body relate with Time the same as my mind/heart/soul? I'd be really interested to hear what you experience as you experiment with this. My intuition tells me that if I'm truly experiencing Time in a different way, then so is my body, so is all of me. But now I'm definitely going to pay particular attention to this. Thank you so much for bringing this, Jen! ❤️